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Topic: Rileys Home/Away Table Play Rant


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Steve85
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-05 08:31

Hi Folks,

Been a while since I've had a rant on here but I was compelled to by several members of my team mates. The crux of the complaint is two fold regarding free table play and bad etiquette during pool matches.

Firstly, as a Rileys based team one would assume that the interest of the company to keep teams happy - before the start of the season we almost left due to the lack of free play or table time available, also having no home advantage was a factor, in the end we decided to stay following an update that certain discounts would return and be made available to us, with team cards (only just got mine the other day after weeks of asking).

The complaint in the first instance is that over a number of previous weeks and in the previous seasons we have been refused free table play on match nights if we are the away team ie Rileys A v Rileys B and we are B'.

In the second instance (and I realise this may be more a question of etiquette) if you are the home team is it fair that a visiting team is allowed a table to practice on during the game? In previous seasons as a Rileys team (playing as the away team) we were previously refused a table - let alone a free table!

As a home team in Rileys I would suggest it only be fair that visiting teams are refused a table out of fairness - this is I realise may be counter productive to Rileys as a business....however.... in the past two weeks of matches us as a home team with no free practice table sat and watched the match as our oponents have practiced during the game not only on one free table but two. I would suggest its hard enough to game home advantage at Rileys without gifitng the visiting team two free practice tables - especially if the team was an old Rileys team that left because of lack of free table play.

This is not a slur to any of the teams who we have played in the weeks previously but directed to the current Rileys teams/players and their oppinions regarding free table play and home advantage. The argument will obviosly stand that if an away team wish to pay for a table full price then its Rileys perogative to let it out, but as stated it use to be the case they were refused as its bad etiquette - but also as stated the argument of etiquette goes out the window if your gifting two free practice tables to a visiting non-rileys away team.

There seems to be a real lack of clarification as to procedure regarding this and would welcome any comments from James re this. I realise head office have rules however surely appeasing the Rileys based teams should be more of priority than a visiting away team. I would also welcome any thoughts regarding etiquette and whether away teams should be allowed a table, if we are visitng another pub - whether it has two tables or otherwise we dont practice during the match.

[ This message was edited by: Steve85 on 2014-11-05 08:33 ]



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ChrisL
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-05 10:52

Had a look at the constituion and league rules and this seems to be a bit of a grey area as it does not mention the requirements of the venue with regard to providing free play on match nights. I would suggest that something be proprosed to add to the league rules along the lines of free play must be provided by the home team/venue for the duration of the match in both league and cup games as well as for players playing a home tie in an ADPL event. I think we can then only then say that it is at the discretion of the venue as to whether free play will be extended on a match night to the home team or a table offered to the away team. This has to be for the venues to decide I would say and come up with a plan for.


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Steve85
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-05 11:21

I think its the one rule one day and another the next that is frustrating to be honest, personally free table time for any rileys based team on a tuesday before the match, thereafter the match table only unless they wish to pay for a table themselves would seem fair to me. If Rileys can afford to give out two free tables to a non-rileys team for practice during a match the least they can do is provide free practice fro their own teams before a match.

Again its maybe a etiquette question but to have your visiting opponents practising during the match is pretty bad if the home team arent.



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FarleysAngel
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-05 12:03

As far as I know there are only two venues with two or more tables (Rileys and Holburn). So is this a moan at Rileys?
We have always been told that the home team gets the table for free from 6pm I think, for a bit of practice then for the match. If you are an away team then you have to pay regardless if you are a Rileys team or not.
I dont really think etiquette comes into it. If you want to practice when the match is on then why not? Whether you get free play or pay for it is a matter for the pub / club.
I do however think it is bad if it is one rule for some and another rule for others.



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sh88ters
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 09:05

"free play" from some teams that dont even buy a single drink on a pool night. At best a can of coke.
I know some teams are drinkers, but wanting everything for nothing is why businesses go bust.

And I of all people should know that..

Come on folks, pay to play and support your venue



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PaulS
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 10:14

Perhaps speaking to Rileys management directly would have been a better approach on this. There are so many players that are regularly in Rileys on match nights that it's difficult for the staff to keep track of who plays for which team.

People taking the piss is the problem here, not Rileys.



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DAWG
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 10:29

On 2014-11-06 09:05 , sh88ters Wrote:

!!! QUOTE !!!

"free play" from some teams that dont even buy a single drink on a pool night. At best a can of coke.
I know some teams are drinkers, but wanting everything for nothing is why businesses go bust.

And I of all people should know that..

Come on folks, pay to play and support your venue


Patty sometimes has a can of Irn Bru if someone else buys it haha



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Snakeyes
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 10:31

My guess the away team that Steve was talking about got free tables because the lights were left on after XSP matches, Rileys staff wouldn't have given them free tables.



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Steve85
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 12:39

On 2014-11-06 10:31 , Snakeyes Wrote:

!!! QUOTE !!!

My guess the away team that Steve was talking about got free tables because the lights were left on after XSP matches, Rileys staff wouldn't have given them free tables.


Thanks for you input guys, in relation to Andys comments - we have no objection to paying for tables on non-match days, fairs fair and all that.

In relation to the reason that Im posting this, it was James that authorised both tables on free play to the away team during the match to a non-rileys based team. I appreciate sometimes xsp tables are left on but not in this case and not in the previous matches case.

I appreciate an away team getting a table if they are going to pay for it cant be helped as like I said before we do need to support our branch of rileys and ensure it continues - what we are taking unbridge to is the fact even on match nights if we are not the home team being rileys based then we still have to pay for the table combined with our opponents getting free play on not one but two tables, all were asking for is a bit of consistency and support for the rileys based teams - dont think thats unreasonable personally



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FarleysAngel
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 12:51

I am still not entirely sure why you are ranting on here.... You arent going to turn down a free table if you are fortunate enough to get offered one lol!

Speak to James and / or Rileys I would say. Sounds like their issue.



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Steve85
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 13:02

On 2014-11-06 12:51 , FarleysAngel Wrote:

!!! QUOTE !!!

I am still not entirely sure why you are ranting on here.... You arent going to turn down a free table if you are fortunate enough to get offered one lol!

Speak to James and / or Rileys I would say. Sounds like their issue.


I wanted peoples opinions regarding whether its acceptable that away teams should be playing and practicing while the home team doesnt, that is pool etiquette and along with the rest my team most consider it an unfair advantage and also rude - just an opinion mind

Rileys in the past use to stop away teams from doing this in fairness to the home rileys team



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JamieSmith
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 13:05

The number one way to resolve this is to speak to James directly, not to come on here and make it a public spectacle.

I appreciate your intentions were to voice your opinion and hopefully get it sorted but face to face is the way to go.

The rules have suppose to be the home team gets a table on for the match and Rileys put it on for free practice roughly between 5/6 if players are there.

If there are two Rileys teams here is what should happen....Free practice on both tables until match starts and then AWAY table is switched off of free play....therefore if the away team wants it, has to pay for it regardless of it being a match night.

However! I have noticed on multiple occasions almost every single player ripping the piss when they see a light on and instead of doing the honest thing and informing staff or taking the balls back they use it for free.

This is a two way street and the players should treat the venue with respect in order to receive it back. (This part was a message to everyone)


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Steve85
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 13:16

On 2014-11-06 13:05 , JamieSmith Wrote:

!!! QUOTE !!!

The number one way to resolve this is to speak to James directly, not to come on here and make it a public spectacle.

I appreciate your intentions were to voice your opinion and hopefully get it sorted but face to face is the way to go.

The rules have suppose to be the home team gets a table on for the match and Rileys put it on for free practice roughly between 5/6 if players are there.

If there are two Rileys teams here is what should happen....Free practice on both tables until match starts and then AWAY table is switched off of free play....therefore if the away team wants it, has to pay for it regardless of it being a match night.

However! I have noticed on multiple occasions almost every single player ripping the piss when they see a light on and instead of doing the honest thing and informing staff or taking the balls back they use it for free.

This is a two way street and the players should treat the venue with respect in order to receive it back. (This part was a message to everyone)



Totally agree with everything you said pal, I fully intend to speak to James - no issue doing that, as our grumble was two-fold in relation to pool etiquette and not just rileys policy, I maybe havent worded that part clearly but it was relevant on an open forum to see whether people consider it fair or otherwise



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Steve85
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 13:22

I really dont mean to milk the debate as you lose credabitlity doing that but in the rules as stated -

"1. BLACKBALL
The Game shall be known as blackball.
Play blackball in a sportsmanlike manner.
The referee is the sole judge of what is fair and unfair play and shall
take whatever action is necessary to ensure the rules are observed."

If I had been sitting like a twat for over an hour and a half during a match while my opponents praticed before the game as an away match I would consider that unsportsman like and unfair....



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JamieSmith
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 13:43

Riley's aren't obligated to adhere to the rules of Blackball though mate.

If that was the gripe then you should have informed the opposing team that they are not allowed to practice during the match as the home team don't get to either.

But again if they pay for a table then it can't be stopped. (Although on this occasion is appears they got it for free)

Side note - Could have suggested you's play the match over the two tables instead of 1



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Snakeyes
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 13:50

Steve, personally i don't see it as unsporting or bad etiquette to practise during a match, it's their prerogative.



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Steve85
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 13:50

On 2014-11-06 13:43 , JamieSmith Wrote:

!!! QUOTE !!!

Riley's aren't obligated to adhere to the rules of Blackball though mate.

If that was the gripe then you should have informed the opposing team that they are not allowed to practice during the match as the home team don't get to either.

But again if they pay for a table then it can't be stopped. (Although on this occasion is appears they got it for free)

Side note - Could have suggested you's play the match over the two tables instead of 1


The way the game went wouldnt of been a bad idea....



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Staffe
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 15:15

I really dont get this at all.

Surely if you are a Rileys team you get your match table when you go in to practice on before your match and its on free play all night.

What difference does it make if your opponents are practicing, playing the bandit, watching the football or anything of that nature. Personally I encourage any players in teams I am in to support their team mates as I feel thats how it should be but thats just my choice. If someone doesnt want to watch their team mates then thats up to them whether they are paying for it or not. The management and staff can do what they want with the tables, there could always be a valid reason behind giving out free table time



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JamieSmith
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 15:19

Ain't gonna learn anything new with that little practice anyways.

And yeah you should be supporting your team.



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Floyd.
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posticon   Posted: 2014-11-06 15:58

What a load of pish fa cares



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